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The Pastels: Interview (Pitchfork)

In the bookish, sugar-sweet corner of punk-inspired guitar music that we call indie pop– a scrappy subculture where amateurism is heralded, charm goes a long way, and crushworthy hooks go miles further– the Pastels are legends. But time has shown that icon status does not necessarily guarantee the ability to endure through new records, nor the power to gracefully evolve. With three decades behind them, the Pastels have done both, developing slowly from early pop rippers (1989’s Sittin’ Pretty is essential) to more subdued sophistication on Slow Summits— a work-in-progess since 2007 that was finally released last month on Domino. It’s their first album since 1997’s Illumination, and one of their best, a dimlit collage of strings and flutes featuring moments of poptimism and jazzy textures inspired by Arthur Russell‘s 1970s Instrumentals series. Still, Slow Summits doesn’t totally forsake a character of off-kilter abandon as much as it’s just the latest progression in Pastelism.

When I dial Stephen McRobbie (aka Stephen Pastel) to discuss the record, it’s 10 p.m. Glasgow time on a Friday night (at his request). He’d been out with his friend Norman Blake, of Teenage Fanclub. The day before he took part in a weekly ritual: “I always play table tennis on Thursday,” McRobbie notes casually. At first, the activity strikes me as comical, opening the door to a host of cardigan-clad jokes about twee culture. But the idea of McRobbie and his bandmates Katrina Mitchell (his co-songwriter and partner) and Gerard Love (also of Teenage Fanclub) gathering at a day center to unwind is telling– our conversation often hits on McRobbie’s socialism and how that factors into the group’s community-focused convictions. “We just kind of turn up and play,” he says. “You should try it.”

In the time since Illumination, the Pastels have also worked on commissioned theater music, a film soundtrack (2002’s The Last Great Wilderness) and a collaborative LP with Japanese act Tenniscoats (2009’s Two Sunsets), the latter two released via Stephen and Katrina’s own Geographic label. (They’re now planning a series of reissues from Strawberry Switchblade, the undersung Scottish bubblegum-pop duo.) Since 2002, McRobbie has also co-owned a Glasgow record shop called Monorail with a couple of friends, where he typically works three or four days a week. “It was one of those times when you’re quietly confident about something and quite pleased when it works out,” he says, talking about the store, though the statment holds true for many of his musical ventures.

It would seem that a new generation has recently discovered the Pastels– downloading their albums from blogs, Tumbling zine articles, reveling in 90s inter-band trivia. (I’ll never forget the stunned feeling of learning, a few years ago, that Black Tambourine‘s 1992 track “Throw Aggi Off the Bridge” was a reference to Pastels’ Annabell Wright.) In spirit, though, their audience never went anywhere at all.

Pitchfork: Do you still feel like you’re an outsider by nature?

Stephen McRobbie: When we started in Glasgow, Orange Juice was really exciting. They moved to London and never really put their roots down in this city, but people who loved them did. We were part of that, but we were outside of prevailing trends within the city, too. A sense of community is a really important part of the Pastels, but it’s good not to feel that anyone within the community could make the music that you could. We always feel slightly outside of things– we don’t rehearse where all the other groups rehearse. We try to keep it apart, even though I feel so much love for the city and the music that comes from it. But I want to be a distinct voice within that. What makes us different is what makes us strong.

We’ve made records for much longer than I could have ever imagined when we started. I thought we existed in some place after punk, that we could find something distinctive and make records for three or four years. I look at groups like Yo La Tengo and the Fall, and I think, “Maybe this is a good generation of groups that could keep going.” We’re these voices that are trying to be strong and say something new. That’s what the group is: being truthful, but also trying to imagine something up ahead.

Pitchfork: There’s a generation of young fans excited about your music, too.

SM: Music really can burn out. It’s very specific to periods. But there’s a tendency to wonder what came before. Society’s changing, music’s changing. The way we listen to music is becoming something that none of us quite understand. When I listen to Animal Collective, sometimes I would think, “Ah, things are becoming so complicated now.” It’s almost too much for me to listen to. Something like the new My Bloody Valentine record is just as complicated, but somehow I can understand the sounds or voices. Trying to engage with the different ways that older things and newer things come across… it’s such an interesting time.

Pitchfork: What sort of influence would you want the Pastels to have on younger indie pop bands that look up to the group?

SM: I would like the work to inspire people in terms of how it was often the best thing that we could do in the moment. As a group, we loved other music and never felt sealed. We embraced our own flaws and tried to make something spectacular but very human.

In the 1980s, the music we were making was odd. We should have been making synth music. The idea of guitars was all over, but we ended up in a group with people that enjoyed guitars. I like the idea of people not being afraid of failure, just documenting what you are as a group, but also trying to find the good elements and glamorizing those, to an extent. 

Pitchfork: I read an interview you recently posted on Facebook about the “anti-twee” sentiment. It reminded me of how, for an indie pop band, the Pastels always felt subversive or punk to me.

SM: Being subversive is not a natural state for me. But I always feel horrified at certain things. For instance, we’re all in our 30s and 40s, so we’re all connected to each other’s families. We have that strong sense of community, and I like the idea of people doing well in a kind of equal society. As a socialist, I’m always into that. So I feel angry at people calling a lot of these ideas we have twee because I can’t think of anything less twee.

Tonight, I was out with Norman from Teenage Fanclub, one of my good friends. We were talking about this music award in Scotland, which we both basically support. Generally speaking, it’s a good thing, and the people who run it have gotten funding for it. But it creates certain contradictions. Should there be a prize for coming “first” in music? Or is it more democratic and personal? Scotland’s a very small country, and I very much support some arts funding, but I sometimes just wonder: Maybe that money would be better spent on a kidney dialysis machine rather than in supporting artists.

Pitchfork: A monetary reward for music could project an idea of it being about an end to something, not a means.

SM: There’s not always a prize. Where’s the prize for all the early Modern Lovers recordings that set the blueprint for so many years of music, you know? In a way, once you start giving out prizes, where do you stop?

Pitchfork: You’ve spoken before about how you never wanted the Pastels to be what you earned your living from.

SM: Yeah. It’s not something I feel super moral about– we have our new record, and I’m starting to think it would probably be good for me to give more time to this, because if we play shows we can generate money. Art in our society is really integral, but it’s not integral in the way of people staying alive. Well, I think music’s really one of the most important things, but a lot of the best music finds its own way to be made. 

A lot of great records were made by people who had decadent lifestyles and sat around for ages, and then, in the last moment, went into the studio and did something really good. But I also see people who work hard and think it would be great if they had a bit more time to spend with their music. Other times, I see people who would be better off having less time to spend with their music. It’s a constant dilemma. As a socialist, I want to create a situation where brilliant art can arise, but brilliant art often arises out of terrible situations. You don’t want things to be terrible, but in the UK a lot of the best music was made in the Thatcherist era, which was horrible. It’s not simple, but the outsider voice is always really interesting– something oppositional that isn’t immediately embraced by the prevalent body.

Pitchfork: At this point, is it important to you to create a sound that is new or different from what you have done in the past? Or is it more about having parameters and writing the best songs you can within them?

SM: We don’t feel like we have parameters. We always feel new when we do something, and it always seems to connect in some way with what we’ve done before. But there’s always a freshness for us when we play together. It never feels like we’re trying to play a new version of “Nothing to Be Done” or “Crawl Babies”. We have a certain group sound but we’re always trying to expand the parameters of that sound.

Pitchfork: I was recently listening to an early Pastels interview where you spoke about rejecting the idea of sophistication. But the new material has horns, cellos, and other strings, which are very sophisticated. How do you see that concept of sophistication factoring in nowadays?

SM: In the 80s, we were very suspicious, but everyone that plays in the Pastels is always very ambitious. I love pop music with string arrangements, like the Left Banke and the Beatles and all the 60s things. But also, I like a particular sound that’s arrived at– I don’t like bringing in people who can just do that for music instantly. It’s been a process for us. I’m really proud of a lot of those early records, they were very ambitious. In terms of how we sounded when we were in the rehearsal room, they were really fabulous creations, and I don’t know how we managed to make them in some instances. Now, sometimes we sound really good in the rehearsal room, but we’re still trying to do something more. I don’t know what the epitome of sound is, but it’s something we’re always reaching for.

Pitchfork: Something that stuck out for me with Slow Summits was the potential influence of Arthur Russell’s 1975 Instrumentals series.

SM: I’m excited that you said that. Arthur Russell is one of my heroes. I came across him about eight years ago. I thought he was a disco pioneer and then was really freaked out when I heard all this other stuff. I love the sound of him playing in a room– the negotiated sounds of a room. When we were making our record, we’d come to the end of the song in the rehearsal room, and there’d be quite a nice chord turnaround. Suddenly, we’d just keep playing, and people in the band would feel like they could express themselves. A lot of that music was absolutely the best stuff we were doing– the rolling outros– and that was the music I was really passionate about. I tried to make those into the main parts of the songs.

Pitchfork: A song like “Summer Rain” definitely has the Instrumentals feel.

SM: “Summer Rain” was my favorite song that I carried around for two or three years. You carry a song like it’s your main hope– not like it’s the most important piece of music you’ll ever make, but the most important music you think about in your life. I had this idea for a song that would be quite melodic and simple, with a really short, Kinks-style outro, that would just die off after 20 seconds, but [multi-instrumentalist] Tom [Crossley] had all these flute ideas. Then it became like a lot of the music we love– like the Ralf und Florian album, or Arthur Russell’s Instrumentals.

Pitchfork: You played the 20th anniversary show for the influential zinechickfactor last year, why do you think that publication and scene has endured?

SM: There was a really nice aesthetic that [chickfactor co-founders] Gail [O’Hara] and Pam [Berry] were able to bring to chickfactor. It was very subtle and emphasized groups where females were the leader, or doing something key within the group, but it was an understated polemic. They just noticed things with longevity. They were right on things very early, when people weren’t so interested. Things have longevity when they are personal and intense.

Pitchfork: The Pastels also had the Pastelism zine. Nowadays, do you feel content to communicate with people online, through Facebook and Twitter, or did you place more value on things you used to do in print?

SM: I don’t place more value in print, but sometimes if I see a beautiful book I think it’s best to step back from the screen. You have a sense of something having real worth. There are fantastic blogs and great writing on the internet, and the speed of communication is exciting. But also I love something beautiful. I love records and fanzines and books and great photos that I can see the print of. That’s not about to die. It’s important for everyone.

Pitchfork: Would you ever reproduce the Pastels zine, or do you think it had its time and place?

SM: It had its time and place, but we’ve been speaking to a publisher about the idea of doing some sort of Pastels book that would be a mixture of works we’ve produced and photographs and writing, too.

Pitchfork: In the recent video for “Check My Heart” there are a lot of children. It made me wonder, are you and Katrina married and do you have kids?

SM: We’re not married. But I can’t imagine being with anyone else. I imagine we will get married at some point. Allison, who plays trumpet, is Katrina’s little sister; she’s got two little children. Aggi and Tom have got a girl. And John, who plays guitar, has a girl called Astrid. It’s kind of a family, but Katrina and I don’t have any children.

A central part of the video is the idea that music’s such a big part of our lives, but our lives are changing because our friends are parents. We tried to make something that’s a cool pop video, but also an accurate summation of where we are now. We’re still in love with the pop moment– with the idea that you can make a record you can dance to– but we also love just being around our friends’ children and everything.

Pitchfork: Sixteen years passed between the last Pastels record and Slow Summits. What differences in your life stand out, other than being older?

SM: I can certainly say that our lives have changed dramatically. We try to not glamorize every moment, but to also make something that’s hopeful, that’s got a belief in humanity, that’s really quietly triumphant. The main thing that happened in my life is that my dad died. It’s already marked a song like “Night Time Made Us”. During the latter part of making the record, the sessions became tighter, because we felt that we had less available time. In a way, I think life’s one thing, and what you do is something different. I don’t always go to a film and expect to experience everything the director has experienced during the time he was making it. But you also want a sense of truth. And I do have a sense that our record is truthful.


28 julio, 2013 Posted by | The Pastels | Deja un comentario

The Pastels: Slow summits (Domino, 2013)


Cumbres Lentas

El regreso tras dieciséis años de The Pastels, no podía ser más esperado. Uno de los iconos Pop por excelencia de los últimos tiempos para todos los Indies que se precien están de vuelta. En un año en el que también han vuelto My Bloody Valentine y Red Kross lo hicieron el año pasado, el retorno de The Pastels se convierte en uno de los acontecimientos musicales de la temporada.
The PastelsPero Katrina y Stephen continúan siendo chicos normales. Tienen sus trabajos (diseñadora y bibliotecario), llevan una vida cuasi anónima y se dedican a grabar música cuando les place y les agrada.
Creadores de un género (como MBV), The Pastels se pueden ufanar en grabar lo que quieran. Su legión de seguidores continuará (continuaremos) estando a su lado, y Slow Summits es un disco en el que parece que los chicos de cierta manera continúan donde lo dejaron en 1997. Bueno, quizás a su sonido le hayan aparecido algunas canitas y algo de barriguita, pero sus planteamientos continúan casi intactos: romanticismo, nostalgia, cierta pereza sonora… aunque los Pastels de 2013 han dejado atrás ese sonido algo amateur que les caracterizaba, esa halo de espontaneidad que les otorgaba ese encanto particular. A ello ha contribuido especialmente la producción de John McEntire (Tortoise) y la colaboración de amiguetes y ex-colaboradores de toda la vida: Gerard Love, Norman Blake (Teenage Fanclub), Aggi (su violinista de siempre),  Stefan Schneider y Ronald Lippok (To Rococo Rot), los japoneses Tenniscoats (junto a los que firmaron Two Sunsets), Craig Armstrong (Massive AttackPet Shop BoysU2), encargado de los arreglos de ‘Kicking Leaves’. Tom Crossley (teclista y flautista asiduo colaborador de The Pastels), John Hogarty y Alison, la hermana de Katrina.
El único pero que le encuentro a este disco de The Pastels es su tremendo parecido sonoro con el debut en solitario de Gerard Love y su nueva banda: Lightships. No en vano, comparten casi media formación con estos nuevos Pastels de 2013. Quizás en esa falta de brío generalizado hay al mismo tiempo un pro y un contra. Esas Cumbres Lentas son algo más que una declaración de intenciones.


Slow Summits is their first proper album in 16 years. (Their last release was a 2009 split LP with Tenniscoats titled Two Sunsets.) Here people watch airplanes from the porches of their parents’ house and stare at old drawings of older friends. They compare themselves to small piles of rocks behind neglected railroad tracks, lit by distant light. They kiss, hug, and wonder if anyone notices them, but rarely speak loud enough to be heard. “We are missed, but we exist,” McRobbie sings near the end of the album, his voice low and bashful, less a singer and more someone drunkenly telling you how great they think you are.
Like Illumination, Slow Summits marries the rough naïveté of indie pop with soft, jazzy music influenced by 1960s artists like Burt Bacharach or the Free Design– music whose pleasant immediacy is actually the product of sophisticated planning. Each wayward handclap and casual jangle of guitar is matched with tight, brushed drums and pro-grade violin. Credit goes to Chicago studio head and multi-instrumentalist John McEntire, who captures each sigh and flourish in vivid clarity. For a band that once seemed borderline unable to play their instruments, latter-day Pastels records feature an awful lot of impeccably recorded French horns.
“Rain is falling on a European street,” Katrina Mitchell sings in the album’s opening minute; “park your car outside and be discreet.” Her voice is gentle and grainy, not a whisper but almost one– a voice reserved for the house, or maybe the bed. Like former Olympia bandBeat Happening or countrymates Belle and Sebastian, the Pastels are part of a strain of indie-pop whose sweetness is backlit by mystery and lust. In the role-reversing traditions of indie-pop, it’s Mitchell who asserts herself while McRobbie sounds lost in daydreams. The album’s most direct, upbeat songs– “Check My Heart” and “Come to the Dance”– are hers. When McRobbie’s voice joins her on the last line of “Secret Music,” it’s like he’s been hiding on the sidelines, too shy to come out. Ultimately, though, McRobbie finds his moment. Against the brisk, carefree backbeat of “Night Time Made Us”, he confesses, “I wanted to steal something that was already mine.” In case the idea wasn’t clear, he repeats it, emphatically, before disappearing into a refrain of cascading flutes.
In a certain sense, the Pastels are a punk band, or a band that has always privileged punk values: community, equality, the homegrown and self-directed. But whatever politics the band holds are implicit. It’s difficult to imagine the Pastels raging against any machine. It’s easy, however, to imagine them turning away from the machine entirely. They’ve been doing it for 25 years. Like all Pastels albums, Slow Summits feels like the work of a tightly knit gang of outcasts. Together they roam familiar streets, checking out the public tennis courts and town center, armed with the knowledge that the deepest mysteries are the ones we barely notice and the greatest adventures are ones taken closest to home.
No wonder time has pegged them as underachievers. There’s no glory in embracing what’s already in your arms, no drama in uncovering what’s already there. Instead there’s tenderness, care, and humility, none of which have ever been particularly marketable. As Stuart Murdoch sang on Belle and Sebastian’s “We Rule the School,” “Call me a prophet if you want / It’s no secret / You know the world was made for men and not us.” So they went out in the middle of the night and made a new one” (Pitchfork)

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27 julio, 2013 Posted by | The Pastels | Deja un comentario

The Pastels: About you (from Two sunsets, 2009, Domino)

Actuación en directo de Stephen y Katrina acompañados, entre otros, de sus antiguos colegas Norman Blake y Gerard Love. Gran versión de The Jesus and Mary Chain.

7 diciembre, 2009 Posted by | The Pastels | 2 comentarios

The Pastels/Tenniscoasts: Two sunsets (2009), Domino

Si hay alguna banda que verdaderamente puede ser clasificada como de culto, ésa puede ser The Pastels. Auténticos supervivientes del C-86, del Twee o del Indie, la banda de Stephen McRobbie (o Stephen Pastel) continúa en activo, a su ritmo, sin estar en plena actualidad, pero siempre activos, Stephen Pastel y Katrina Mitchell, junto con una cohorte de colaboradores, se han reunido con el grupo japonés Tenniscoats para dar forma a un disco de elaboración conjunta, fruto de la búsqueda de talentos de aquel país por parte del sello de los escoceses, Geographic, y de la admiración que el dúo nipón profesaba por los británicos, quienes allá por 2006 ya comenzaron a sugerirles algunas sesiones de estudio. Sea como fuere, este otoño ha visto la luz este Two sunsets, doce temas fruto de esa reunión creativa que ha dado como resultado, en nuestra opinión, un disco un tanto irregular, muy pausado, con tonos realmente melancólicos, frutos quizás de la madurez creativa de la pareja escocesa, pero que en algunos momentos lastran quizás demasiado su escucha. Personalmente, soy de la opinión de que les hubiera quedado un Ep de lo más resultón, más que un álbum tan largo. Nos quedamos con cuatro temas que son los que considero más destacables: Sodane, un tema cantado por la cantante de Tenniscoats, que tiene un riff de lo más agradable y un ritmo acompasado para un perfecto tema Twee. Boats es un tema más tirando a lo ambiental, nos recuerda en algo el sonido que facturan sus correligionarios BMX Bandits en la actualidad, en esta ocasión con la voz de Katrina susurrando una melodía irresistible con unos teclados etéreos de fondo. About you (cover de The Jesus and Mary Chain), es aquí una canción de Jangle-Pop entonada por Stephen, quien por momentos nos recuerda en la misma a la voz de Lou Reed, tal es la profundidad que demuestra; todo ello aderezado con un arsenal de guitarras y teclados que crean un ambiente mágico. Y por último, la que es sin duda la mejor canción de la colección, Vivid Youth, una especie de redescubrimiento generacional de The Pastels a cualquier seguidor que todavía no les conociese, un temazo que demuestra, al mismo tiempo, madurez creativa y frescura compositiva a partes iguales. Por cierto, entre otros colaboradores han participado en el disco Norman Blake y Gerard Love, como atestigua el vídeo que aparecerá el próximo lunes. Por cierto, The Pastels han prometido nuevo álbum en breve. Habrá que esperar…
“The idea of us recording together came from Tenniscoats,’ Stephen McRobbie recalls. ‘They suggested they would like to record with us at the end of a Scottish tour in 2006. I know we were excited but maybe wondering if they meant some kind of completely improvised session. But it turned out Tenniscoats already had a song, Two Sunsets, which they wanted to record with us and another, slightly more abstract piece called Welcome To The Sea which was also beautiful.’
Two Sunsets thus took shape across several years’ worth of collaboration, involving recording with Norman Blake (Teenage Fanclub), and several sessions with Bal Cooke (who helped with The Pastels’ soundtrack from 2002, The Last Great Wilderness), which McRobbie remembers as ‘sunny and productive, we were never stuck.’
The result is an exceptional set of twelve songs that somehow simultaneously capture the first flower of the collaborative effort and all of its attendant excitement, and a confidence that only comes from artists who are at the top of their craft. Strikingly, the album manifests the elements at their most evocative – from the overarching theme of ‘duality’, and gentle grandeur of Two Sunsets, through the aquatic logic of Boats and Start Slowly So We Sound Like A Loch, the dizzy sweetness of Mou Mou Rainbow’s index of colour, to the autumnal glory of their cover of the Jesus And Mary Chain’s About You. (Or there’s Sodane – ‘Saya asked Tom [Crossley, of International Airport] to play some flute to sound like cherry blossom falling from the tree,’ Katrina Mitchell says, ‘and Tom seemed to play exactly that.’) It sounds radiant, full of life and charm. ‘I think Saya described the music as something like Pastels underneath, sounding beautiful like a big cloud,’ McRobbie smiles, ‘with Tenniscoats flying over.’
Elsewhere, the Pastels crew take control for Vivid Youth, which reminds of Orange Juice at their most soul-reverent, naturally stylish and possessing a wonderfully assured, yet unassuming gait; Boats, originally intended for the next Pastels album ‘proper’, builds on the pacific wisdom and quiet drama of both their 1997 masterpiece Illumination and Tenniscoats’ lovely Ending Theme. The entire album is flecked with detail, with windmills of woodwind winding through Vivid Youth, buzzing organ skating over the clicking tock of the drums in About You, the Oliver Postgate reveries sounded by the flute that wanders through Hikoki, or the Fripp-esque reels of guitar delay trailing off amongst the title song’s dying embers.
Two Sunsets, then, posts pop as a series of experiences, from the fleeting to the rapturous, from the hypnotic to the transcendent. It’s casual, intimate, and generous. It’s also communal – alongside Tenniscoats’ Saya and Ueno, and Pastels hardcore Stephen McRobbie and Katrina Mitchell, permanent and occasional guests like Gerard Love, Alison Mitchell and Bill Wells appear, and Sodane is co-written with Maher Shalal Hash Baz’s Reiko Kudo. Most of all, though, I love that this record sounds lived, moulded by human hands, not done by ‘committee’. Like everything else both groups have been involved with, it’s very natural and unforced, and warm and humble, in its own brave, exploratory way”
(Jon Dale,
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“Vivid Youth looks like this summer but makes you think of last summer too; hopeful and kind of strident sounding, the spectacular moment when a bonfire really catches fire. And in the shadow there’s something else too, something secretive, beautiful and exciting. This Pastels Tenniscoats sound is very summerish, everyone’s playing feels very of the moment; maybe it’s the evening to Billy Stewart’s Sitting In The Park or Hugh Masekela’s Grazing In The Grass. Night time is inevitably Question Mark & The Mysterians. That’s what I think anyway. A bright coloured, brilliant moment, a Gerard Love and Katrina Mitchell composition. An ‘almost’ pop single? An unhesitant yes”(

4 diciembre, 2009 Posted by | Tenniscoats, The Pastels | Deja un comentario

The Pastels / Tenniscoats: Two Sunsets (2009), Domino

The Pastels, auténticos supervivientes del Indie, del Twee o del C-86, acaban de publicar un álbum compartido con el dúo japonés Tenniscoats; en él encontraremos algo de las buenas esencias a las que The Pastels nos tenían acostumbrados, si bien el disco en su totalidad es un tanto largo y abusa de los medios tiempos y los tonos melancólicos. Más información en The JangleBox.

Vivid Youth looks like this summer but makes you think of last summer too; hopeful and kind of strident sounding, the spectacular moment when a bonfire really catches fire. And in the shadow there’s something else too, something secretive, beautiful and exciting. This Pastels Tenniscoats sound is very summerish, everyone’s playing feels very of the moment; maybe it’s the evening to Billy Stewart’s Sitting In The Park or Hugh Masekela’s Grazing In The Grass. Night time is inevitably Question Mark & The Mysterians. That’s what I think anyway. A bright coloured, brilliant moment, a Gerard Love and Katrina Mitchell composition. An ‘almost’ pop single? An unhesitant yes (

4 diciembre, 2009 Posted by | The Pastels | Deja un comentario


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